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		<title>Comment on New case law on marriages by t</title>
		<link>http://www.freemovement.org.uk/2012/02/07/new-case-law-on-marriages/#comment-4066</link>
		<dc:creator>t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 12:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could anyone help me????? I need to apply for my husbands visa but I cant apply befor may as i&#039;ve just start workin! But theres alot of rumours about the law changin in april wat istchanging? Help me out pls!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could anyone help me????? I need to apply for my husbands visa but I cant apply befor may as i&#8217;ve just start workin! But theres alot of rumours about the law changin in april wat istchanging? Help me out pls!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Fairness to the rescue (again) by Vinny</title>
		<link>http://www.freemovement.org.uk/2012/02/15/fairness-to-the-rescue-again/#comment-4040</link>
		<dc:creator>Vinny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 07:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s another interesting case from last year: http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2011/2515.html
Note that children born in the UK are not required to apply for leave to remain (http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/documents/policyandlaw/IDIs/idischapter8/section4a/section4a). If the children, presumably born in the UK, had not been included in the failed applications, then there may have been less problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another interesting case from last year: <a href="http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2011/2515.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2011/2515.html</a><br />
Note that children born in the UK are not required to apply for leave to remain (<a href="http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/documents/policyandlaw/IDIs/idischapter8/section4a/section4a" rel="nofollow">http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/documents/policyandlaw/IDIs/idischapter8/section4a/section4a</a>). If the children, presumably born in the UK, had not been included in the failed applications, then there may have been less problems.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Happy Valentine&#8217;s Day! by Mutly</title>
		<link>http://www.freemovement.org.uk/2012/02/14/sharp-increase-in-sham-marriage-convictions/#comment-4032</link>
		<dc:creator>Mutly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 12:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the circumstances are consistent with the cultural background of the parties and the norms in their cultures then that will not cause it to be a suspicious case, hence no separate simultaneous questioning. 

For eg. if a large age gap or some other cuircumstance is known not to be normal in the culture of the parties then suspicion may arise. But if the circumstances are all normal in that culture, they won&#039;t arise just because the marriage was arranged according to those cultural norms. The questioning is primarily where it is suspected that the migrating party is deceiving the fiance/spouse solely to migrate and/or has paid organised gangs to find a spouse and/or the couple have come to a private arrangement to pretend to be in a relationship to facilitate a visa etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the circumstances are consistent with the cultural background of the parties and the norms in their cultures then that will not cause it to be a suspicious case, hence no separate simultaneous questioning. </p>
<p>For eg. if a large age gap or some other cuircumstance is known not to be normal in the culture of the parties then suspicion may arise. But if the circumstances are all normal in that culture, they won&#8217;t arise just because the marriage was arranged according to those cultural norms. The questioning is primarily where it is suspected that the migrating party is deceiving the fiance/spouse solely to migrate and/or has paid organised gangs to find a spouse and/or the couple have come to a private arrangement to pretend to be in a relationship to facilitate a visa etc.</p>
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		<title>Comment on New case law on marriages by Free Movement</title>
		<link>http://www.freemovement.org.uk/2012/02/07/new-case-law-on-marriages/#comment-4021</link>
		<dc:creator>Free Movement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr T, I really don&#039;t want to blacklist you after all this time, but your latest comments are outrageous and inappropriate. I&#039;d have said so sooner but have been really busy. Any more of this and I&#039;ll delete the comments and block you. I suggest an apology is in order and that you reconsider comparing civil servants acting in a professional capacity on instructions from their employer with Nazi officers who were tried, convicted and hanged for what they had done. It is a bonkers comparison and lowers the tone of debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr T, I really don&#8217;t want to blacklist you after all this time, but your latest comments are outrageous and inappropriate. I&#8217;d have said so sooner but have been really busy. Any more of this and I&#8217;ll delete the comments and block you. I suggest an apology is in order and that you reconsider comparing civil servants acting in a professional capacity on instructions from their employer with Nazi officers who were tried, convicted and hanged for what they had done. It is a bonkers comparison and lowers the tone of debate.</p>
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		<title>Comment on All change by Free Movement</title>
		<link>http://www.freemovement.org.uk/2012/02/14/all-change/#comment-4020</link>
		<dc:creator>Free Movement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No</p>
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		<title>Comment on All change by Igor</title>
		<link>http://www.freemovement.org.uk/2012/02/14/all-change/#comment-4017</link>
		<dc:creator>Igor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you consider the fee (Tier1 General) increased by 500 GBP fair?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you consider the fee (Tier1 General) increased by 500 GBP fair?</p>
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		<title>Comment on New case law on marriages by Mr T</title>
		<link>http://www.freemovement.org.uk/2012/02/07/new-case-law-on-marriages/#comment-4003</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PO
From Wiktionary 
Nuremberg defense (plural Nuremberg defenses)
 1.(idiomatic, law, ethics) An explanation offered as an intended excuse for behaving in a criminal or wrongful manner, claiming that one behaved in that manner because one was ordered by others to do so.

Other than that I don&#039;t respond to Ad Hominem attacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PO<br />
From Wiktionary<br />
Nuremberg defense (plural Nuremberg defenses)<br />
 1.(idiomatic, law, ethics) An explanation offered as an intended excuse for behaving in a criminal or wrongful manner, claiming that one behaved in that manner because one was ordered by others to do so.</p>
<p>Other than that I don&#8217;t respond to Ad Hominem attacks.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Happy Valentine&#8217;s Day! by European Citizen</title>
		<link>http://www.freemovement.org.uk/2012/02/14/sharp-increase-in-sham-marriage-convictions/#comment-4002</link>
		<dc:creator>European Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting comments on the German practice, thanks. I&#039;m wondering how couples that don&#039;t know each other well (e.g. because they have an arranged marriage) could answer these questions. Many cultures frown upon contact before marriage (to put it mildly).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting comments on the German practice, thanks. I&#8217;m wondering how couples that don&#8217;t know each other well (e.g. because they have an arranged marriage) could answer these questions. Many cultures frown upon contact before marriage (to put it mildly).</p>
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		<title>Comment on New case law on marriages by European Citizen</title>
		<link>http://www.freemovement.org.uk/2012/02/07/new-case-law-on-marriages/#comment-4001</link>
		<dc:creator>European Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PO,

Don&#039;t forget that UKBA&#039;s own code on practice for keeping children safe warns officers to make sure children &quot;should not feel that they are up against a culture of disbelief&quot;. 

Anyway, what can&#039;t we just have a useful exchange? I asked a question: in your opinion, why do we encounter cases where clearly taxpayers’ money and UKBA expertise are wasted (e.g. the case cited above)? I&#039;m not saying this is always the case of course but it does happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PO,</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget that UKBA&#8217;s own code on practice for keeping children safe warns officers to make sure children &#8220;should not feel that they are up against a culture of disbelief&#8221;. </p>
<p>Anyway, what can&#8217;t we just have a useful exchange? I asked a question: in your opinion, why do we encounter cases where clearly taxpayers’ money and UKBA expertise are wasted (e.g. the case cited above)? I&#8217;m not saying this is always the case of course but it does happen.</p>
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		<title>Comment on New case law on marriages by PO</title>
		<link>http://www.freemovement.org.uk/2012/02/07/new-case-law-on-marriages/#comment-3995</link>
		<dc:creator>PO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would add that thin is akin to stating as a fact that all immigration lawyers are bent, on the basis of a few bad apples.

Yes, some colleagues have become overly cynical, but not all. The &#039;Culture of disbelief&#039; allegation / slur is not &#039;well dicumented&#039; merely an opinion.

Making broad statements about tend of thousands of civil servants, based on exposure to tens or a hundred or so is as ignorant as assuming that all foreign nationals are lying and on the make. 

FM, mostly provides measured and detailed analysis, Mr T sadly displays ignorance, stupidity and prejudice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would add that thin is akin to stating as a fact that all immigration lawyers are bent, on the basis of a few bad apples.</p>
<p>Yes, some colleagues have become overly cynical, but not all. The &#8216;Culture of disbelief&#8217; allegation / slur is not &#8216;well dicumented&#8217; merely an opinion.</p>
<p>Making broad statements about tend of thousands of civil servants, based on exposure to tens or a hundred or so is as ignorant as assuming that all foreign nationals are lying and on the make. </p>
<p>FM, mostly provides measured and detailed analysis, Mr T sadly displays ignorance, stupidity and prejudice.</p>
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